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Offline SanazE

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[Help] Vegan Client with Candidaiasis
« on: December 18, 2011, 02:20:58 PM »
So I'm a little stumped with this one. I'll be working with a die-hard vegan client who is feeling the effect of chronic candidaiasis with unremitting cravings for sugar, and not feeling her best overall (run down, fatigue).

Mostly, if not all of the recommended anti-candida diets call for elimination of whole foods that are high in sugar/starch including: legumes, beans, whole grains, fruit, nuts, starchy vegetables – which are staples for vegans.

Tofu / Tempeh / Soy products, are considered problematic especially during the first phase of a candida cleanse. But at this point, what compromises (wiggle room) can we make here, and how do we ensure she is getting all of the essential amino acids?

Protein sources:

Quinoa, and other B.E.D. approved grains high in protein.
Shiitake Mushrooms?  
Some legumes like lentils / mung beans?
Tempeh / Miso?
Sea Veggies?

I'd love to hear your suggestions / thoughts on these type of scenarios.

Thanks!

Sanaz

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Re: [Help] Vegan Client with Candidaiasis
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 07:14:34 AM »
Interesting how we will cling to our beliefs when our bodies are screaming for change. It's possible that you can't help this client. Mushrooms are considered problematic by some, and they're not really high protein. Nor is quinoa. It might be high protein for a grain, but it's still 60% starchy carbohydrate. Sea veggies aren't a major protein. Tempeh's good, but she can't eat it every day, and it IS fermented.

Perhaps you can simply point out how Candida develops and steer her towards books and websites that succinctly deliver dietary recommendations that are known to be successful. I really suggest you not spend a lot of time trying to convince someone who is dead set against changing. Takes too much of your energy. Let her get ready first.

Also, if she's vegan for moral and/or political reasons, I suggest you recommend Lierre Keith's book, The Vegetarian Myth to her. In my opinion, one of the most important things we do in life, as adults, is to accept things the way they are. The thinking that veganism is a highly moral way of eating denies what is. That's all I'll say. It's in the book. Of course, she may not be ready for this, either. It'll probably make her angry.

So, this may not have been helpful in the way you're hoping, but I don't think the way out of Candida is with low protein and high starch. You can, of course, suggest vegan protein powders, but this is not a long-term solution. These are not whole foods; they're adjunctive support.

Best of luck.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 04:29:24 PM by Marlina E »

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Re: [Help] Vegan Client with Candidaiasis
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 04:26:34 PM »
I might suggest the conversation about adding some animal protein back in to her diet.  You can frame it like it is a nutrition "prescription."  Talk about how it might not have to be forever, but some increased nutrition and decreased carbohydrates will be very therapeutic right now.  To address sugar cravings, increased protein is key, along with increased probiotics as fermented foods or a high quality supplement.  Candida can also be addressed with herbs (garlic, oregano oil, etc.).  In my practice, I've found that supplementation can be quite helpful for candida, but usually only when combined with a strict anti-candida diet. 

Best of luck!!

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Graduate of Bastyr University, Seattle, WA

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Re: [Help] Vegan Client with Candidaiasis
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 02:11:58 PM »
Thank you Ryah and Jodi so much for your thoughtful and candid responses!

This person is not just a die-hard Vegan, she makes a living around having this identity / ideology. She has extreme (understatement) views on eating animal protein as it being an ethical tragedy. So there's no hope in this regard for her to make changes even if it means that it could improve her over-all health.

Despite this reality, I am wondering if it's still possible / worthwhile to help her with her sugar cravings by way of:

1) amino acid & vitamin/mineral supplementation:  B-complex vitamins with biotin, glutamic acid (L-glutamine) and chromium picolinate.

2) 5-HTP

or is this just another band-aid solution? since underlying her sugar cravings is her candida overgrowth.

Oy vey. :)

Sanaz
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 02:14:20 PM by SanazE »

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Re: [Help] Vegan Client with Candidaiasis
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 04:47:06 PM »
How about spirulina and chlorella.
I'm on the same page as your other replies. 
I do not believe a vegan diet is healthy for over
about 3 months.  I think for a cleanse for someone who is really unhealthy and for weightloss its good, but not for years.  My husband went vegan with me for a while and
he looked like he was on hard drugs he lost so much weight.  I got him back on animal protein and he;'s fine again now.  I also got  back on it too.
I don't believe that you can deal with candida thru a vegan diet you need the animal protein.  Sounds like a very difficult situation.  Good Luck!

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Re: [Help] Vegan Client with Candidaiasis
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM »
Thanks for sharing your insight and personal experience Shobhan!

Yes, I have know someone else who went on a juice cleanse for detoxing as part of her candida cleanse, and she had such a bad IBS reaction.

Here are some great links I found on Candida & Vegetarianism:

http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/the-vegetarian-and-candida-diet-dilemma/

http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/candida-diet-and-vegetarians/

http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/does-soy-fit-with-the-candida-diet/

 

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