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Offline RamyaR

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Organic Acids Testing
« on: April 25, 2012, 10:46:31 AM »
Hello folks,

I came across some material posted by US Biotek which seems to suggest that their method of testing organic acids is much more accurate and reliable than the other leading lab (I am guessing Metametrix!). I am pasting just a part of it and the full article can be found at this link.
http://www.usbiotek.com/Downloads/information/MarkOATLArticle-V6.pdf

"Organic acid analysis can be a powerful tool in the hands of a competent clinician, only if however, the results can be trusted. Organic acids have been measured and reported for more than two decades via GC/MS. And, now this accurate assay is combined with a sample collection technique in which the integrity of the organic acids is not compromised. This provides for a highly complex profile with trustworthy results.

Stability and reproducibility are essential components of successful laboratory assays. In this study, liquid urine analysis proved to be insufficiently stable for about one in seven organic acids. In addition, analysis via LC/MS/MS was insufficiently reproducible. Conversely, analysis by GC/MS, after collection with the Dip ‘N Dry, optimized stability with incredibly accurate and precise results. Both stability and reproducibility were dramatically superior by this method, as proven in this study.

From the wealth of sound literature in support of GC/MS analysis, it was predicted that LC/MS/MS results may be outweighed by that acquired from GC/MS analysis. It was also expected that the Dip ‘N Dry collection technique would outperform liquid urine analysis. This proved to be the case. What was not expected, though, was the extreme variability and instability encountered with LC/MS/MS and liquid urine collection, respectively. This poses some serious ramifications. Resulting false-positives and/or false-negatives provide for a questionable patient report with unnecessary, and perhaps inappropriate supplement recommendations. From a clinical perspective, this is disheartening. Organic acid analysis aims to monitor subtle changes in a variety of clinically relevant biological compounds, producing a test of high complexity. This complexity should not be burdened with results that are unreliable and irreproducible."

I did a quick check and Metametrix does seem to do it using the LC/MS/MS method. My question is - Can any of you experienced consultants shed more light on this issue if you happen to know more? If you have used both labs, have you found one better than the other? I guess it can be hard to tell unless one orders the test for the same client using both labs at the same time!! But I wanted to get some feedback regarding this.

Thank you.

Ramya Ramakrishnan M.A., N.C.
Holistic Nutrition Consultant

Offline Nori

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Re: Organic Acids Testing
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 08:31:38 AM »
I haven't done a comparison of the two methods, having gravitated to MM tests since we have easier access.  But with this information, I intend to do my own OAs with US Biotek. I think Mark Schauss offers us NCs access through his company LabAssist.
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Re: Organic Acids Testing
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 10:09:44 PM »
Thank you for your response Nori. I do plan on calling both labs in the near future to get more info. about this. If I find anything new or useful, I will post.

Ramya Ramakrishnan M.A., N.C.
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Re: Organic Acids Testing
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 10:11:00 AM »
Thanks for the post on US BioTek; I have done the Metametrix Organix for a lot of clients-some results, eps the methylmalonic acid were questionable; you are right-would have to do a comparison-from the same person-both labs-an expensive process!  recently had tests from Metametrix & GDX-the GDX picked up subnormal methylation-(Comp Hormone panel), poor estrogen detox; the organix showed normal methylmalonic acid; had we not done the GDX hormone test-would not have picked up the poor methylation-makes me question the metametrix test; might be worth a discussion with US BioTek re how the test methodology differs; because this type of testing is relatively new -standards & regulations are evolving; I would be considered more about the false negatives-witht he metametrix test
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Re: Organic Acids Testing
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2012, 11:33:13 AM »
Hi Nancy, thanks for your response - VERY useful info. anid just the kind of feedback I was hoping I would get. It is indeed a huge concern that a test that many of us have considered as an accurate marker may not be representing a true picture! Not sure if you would have the time, but it might be worth calling Metametrix and report what you found. Besides the methylmalonic acid, did the other homocysteine markers also differ in value?

Thank you again for the valuable information.

Ramya Ramakrishnan M.A., N.C.
Holistic Nutrition Consultant


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Re: Organic Acids Testing
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 03:44:06 PM »
with this client, do not yet have the additional markers-homocysteine-never got done-client is making diet changes & did start taking supplements to support methylation-SamE, B12, Homocysteine Supreme by Designs for Health
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