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Offline KathyG

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Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« on: October 11, 2009, 01:21:44 PM »
I am a new Nutrition Educator student and have been going back and forth for years about whether I should be taking a daily multivitamin supplement :-\.  I have never been a fan of taking any supplements of any sort whether they be medications or vitamins.  I can understand taking a vitamin or supplement if there is a defined deficiency of some sort that cannot be corrected through diet, but should someone with healthy digestion and a balanced E4H diet be taking any vitamins?? 

And.. If we are sticking to strictly eating seasonal foods does that mean that during different times of the year our bodies only need the specific vitamins and minerals that are provided by foods in that season?? Or is this the whole reason for taking vitamin supplements??

Just looking for some opinions on the matter... Thanks  :D


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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2009, 05:36:48 PM »
Hi Kathy,

Ideally, we can get all the vitamins and minerals from foods when foods were unrefined, unprocessed and grown on good soils. The question is whether we can get this kind of foods in today’s environment. Foods today typically grown in soils that are loaded with toxic chemicals and the nutritional value are drastically decreased. Multi vitamins supplements can be used to fill the nutritional gap. Besides taking vitamins for defined deficiency which can not be corrected through diet, proper supplementation can ensure that nutrient needs are met and to prevent potential diseases due to nutrient deficiency.

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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2009, 08:30:40 PM »
Hi Kathys  :)
   I was reading this post and thought that I would give my own personal testimonial to a high quality multivitamin.  I used to take prenatal vitamins from Longs (cringe I know!) because my doctor told me that they would help my nails to get stronger.  I had horizonal ridges in my nails and they were paper thin!!!  I could bend them completely over and they would rip like paper with the smallest bit of pressure.  Then I started seeing a nutrition consultant and she switched me to a higher quality MVI... my nails (among other things) have drastically improved!  I no longer have ridges and they are so strong that I can actually grow them out!  I was eating a clean diet before but if there is one thing I have realized during my NE course it is that it is next to impossible to get all of the nutrients you need every day.  Thus I see a definite need for MVIs in spite of the fact that I too wish that we could get everything we needed from food alone!
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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 06:55:47 AM »
It's sad but true commentary that our food supply has become pretty diminished over the last 50 or so years, strengthening the argument for multivitamin use. But it you're young, with good digestion, a nutrient dense diet that includes plenty of booster foods, you may not need to take one. You may, however, need a little bit of targeted supplementation. For times when you're under stress your nutrient needs increase, so you might want to up your intake of nutritional yeast (B vitamins) and vitamin C. You may also require vitamin D, especially in the winter. D deficiency is widespread, especially among those who cover themselves up or use sunscreens in the summer. The best way to know if you need D is to get tested (search this Forum for information regarding that). This vitamin is so crucial for bone and immune health, including cancer protection, that it's wise for everyone to know their levels and take action when necessary.

Also, if you do choose to use a multi, I highly recommend a low-potency, whole foods-based one that contains all the synergistic factors necessary for utilization (note that I didn't say 'absorption') in the body. It's now believed by some that high-potency nutrients, taken long term, can create nutrient imbalances because they're adding so much of certain nutrients but leaving out others and/or important co-factors. So Kelly, I admire your hesitation in wanting to take supplements, but with a whole foods supplement, you'd basically be adding an insurance policy-worth of more whole foods. Not a bad concept.

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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 12:51:44 PM »
Thank you for your thoughtful replies!

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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2010, 03:19:11 PM »
I am a new NE student.
I would like to know which brand multivitamin/mineral supplement to take? I believe, some of the brand name supplement products recommended in NE course are not necessarily safe. For example, so called food based supplements are nothing but small amounts of carrot powder or sprout powder or similar product mixed with synthetic vitamin/minerals. Most of the raw materials are imported from Mexico, China or other countries which is contaminated with insects, mold, microoranisms and etc.  Manufacturers even fumigate or autoclave the raw materials to kill harmful pathogens. Product shelf life only tells the consumer about the bottling date, not the production date or raw material expiration date.Some of the manufacturers outsource it to companies in other countries. How many manufacturers actually inspect for potency? Almost all diatary supplements contain some kind of exipients, binders, or some other substance. As far as I know not all manufacturers are following GMP guideline until recently when FDA mandated the requirement.
I don't feel comfoatble taking any dieatary supplements. Can someone give me some information. Thank you.
GSH

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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2010, 05:51:42 PM »
GSH, you're very wise to be wary of what's in supplements. As with anything in the marketplace, there's both good and bad to be had, and plenty in the middle, too. Your statements about supplements are certainly partially true, but what is also true is that there are some companies out there that hold very high standards for themselves and are manufacturing above and beyond the GMP. Some of these companies are represented at the retail level, some sell directly and only to professionals.

I'm a fan of whole foods supplementation for maintenance purposes, and of targeted high-dose supplementation for therapeutic purposes. My favorite whole foods supplement manufacturer is BioSan Labs, the makers of Innate Response and Right Foods (professional lines) and MegaFood at the retail level. It's true that some of their supplements are whole foods with added nutrients. It's not fair, however, to characterize these (or those made by New Chapter) as "carrot powder" with synthetic nutrients added. BioSan both grows their own organic fruits and vegetables and sources some ingredients from around the world. They have a multi-tiered testing facility so they can test what's coming in and what's in their finished product. They regularly discontinue using ingredients that don't adhere to strict guidelines for purity and nutrient value. They also have state-of-the-art drying equipment for producing their products, which retain most of the nutrient value of the source plants. They're a small company, with quality control in the hands of just a few people who guide the process from start to finish.

But don't take my word for it. Their website is www.innateresponse.com, and you can speak to the director of their professional division, James Doherty, who can give you far more information than I ever could. I imagine New Chapter Organics could do the same. There may be other companies as well, but to the best of my knowledge, these two are at the top of the pile.

I hope this helps you, and I think your skeptical attitude can serve you well. Keep asking the tough questions.

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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2010, 10:46:23 PM »
I also think Megafoods and New Chapter are the top two brands for multivitamins (and many other categories of supplements as well). I have been working in a natural foods store in the vitamin department for about 10 months and have learned a lot of information about the companies sold at the retail level, and while it is good to be skeptical about the quality of your supplements, there are very high quality ones out there.
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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2010, 05:17:18 PM »
Hi Kathy,

I actually was in the same position you are just a few weeks ago and decided I should start taking a multivitamin again. I turned to 'The Diet Cure' by Julia Ross to see what recommendations she made for a quality multivitamin product and she listed three recommendations: Glucobalance by Biotics Research, My Favorite Multiple capsules by Natrol and Allergy Multi by Twin Lab. I was able to find My Favorite Multiple capsules at Target for $13.99 and went with those. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Kimberlyn Hickman

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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2010, 06:52:06 PM »
In the latest issue of Consumer Reports Magazine, September 2010 sited a report from Women's Health Magazine who tracked 161,000 women over 8 years.  Women's Health concluded that women who took multivitamins had no lower risk of cancer, cardiovascular disease or death.  Consumer Reports Magazine goes on to say that Dietary Guideline for Americans Report released in June 2010 from the Department of Agriculture says that daily multivitamin/multimineral supplements do not offer health benefits to healthy Americans and urges consumption of balanced diet.

I thought this was interesting food for thought!
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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2010, 06:41:29 PM »
Thanks Jodi for the information.
What are low potency supplements?
I always thought multivitmain/minerals supplement should contain all the nutrients equal to more than RDA requirement especially Vitamin C, B and some other antioxidants in megadoses. For example, Vitamic C 1000 mg -2000mg. (RDA is 60 mg/day). How do we know what dosage it required?
GSH

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Re: Daily Multi-Vitamins necessary??
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 11:02:20 AM »
GSH,

Good question and excellent thought process about this topic.

Anytime you purchase a whole-foods supplement it will be lower potency than one that is made from pure, isolated nutrients.This is because you're getting either whole dried foods compacted into a tablet, or whole dried foods compacted into a tablet with some added food-grown nutrients. You just can't get a large amount of any one nutrient into an easy to swallow tablet when there's so much food in it. Only purified nutrients, with few or no synergistic factors can be squeezed in high dosages into a small space. Even so, you'll see on labels that whole foods nutrients often require you to take several rather large tablets for your daily dose because the tablets are mostly food.

But here's what I consider the more interesting part. All supplement companies, even very high-end ones, advertise the high absorption rates of their products. And they're right. Most high-end supplements absorb very well into the bloodstream. There's a difference, however, between what we absorb and what our bodies are able to fully utilize. And, aye, there's the rub (pardon my misplaced Shakespeare).

I've spoken with James Doherty on several occasions and have attended some of his webinars (I recommend these), and there's ample evidence to indicate that it's whole foods that the body fully recognizes and can most easily use. This is why isolated nutrient supplements need to be so high potency: It's so enough of each nutrient can actually get into your body to do something. Whole foods supplements seem to be more readily available to the body's cells, where they're used. Don't forget that our bodies evolved eating whole foods, and they have an innate intelligence that recognizes the right and wrong forms of nutrients (my opinion).

This is not to say that high-potency supplements don't have their place in the world. For therapeutic purposes they're indispensable, and some people have ongoing needs for nutrient therapy. For most of us, however, who need that "insurance policy" to make certain we obtain what we need, as I say over and over, I much prefer whole-foods supplements (even if they're spiked a little with nutrients to keep their size down) for everyday maintenance use. Don't forget that you're getting plenty of nutrients in your E4H diet with booster foods. And this is what so many of us are forgetting. Say, for instance, we require 1200 mg. of calcium per day. So, we purchase our 1200 mg. supplement and take it faithfully. But what if we're already getting this amount in our dairy products, leafy greens, seeds, etc? Do we even stop to think about the nutrient content of our foods?

As for how much of each nutrient any one individual requires, well, you know, that's totally individual and can be at least partially determined through various methods of testing. If you have a chronic health condition, you can work with an NC or an ND to help you determine your specific needs. Otherwise, a varied whole foods diet with booster foods and optimal digestion, and a whole foods "insurance policy" supplement may be all you need.

The Organic Consumer's Association (www.organicconsumers.org) is offering a book on this topic of whole foods vs. synthetic supplements. A couple of its chapters are excerpted here:  http://www.organicconsumers.org/nutricon.cfm


 

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